Surely these councillors time would be better spent making sure that H.C.C. spent some money improving the condition of the roads around Borehamwood particularly around Leeming Road,Aycliffe Road and outside of the Junior School where the road is so bad it won't be long before you will need a 4 x4 to drive over it.
Instead they use their 'valuable' time to bottle it over a contentious issue and vote unanimously on some stupid symbolic poles which will in all probability be pulled down the minute they have gone up.
Considering most of these councillors live out side of Borehamwood I suppose the welfare and safety of local children is of no concern to them but thats all right so long as a few people can now drive right up to the front door of their place of worship,park over pavements,clog the streets of Croxdale and surrounding roads all's well with the world.
Well done the Burghers of Hertsmere B.C. once again you prove that you have the interests of the local people of Borehamwood at heart.

Terry Davis's comment, show's that he really does not understand the purpose of the Eruv - he should look it up on the internet! It will make NO difference at all to the amount of cars - if anything at all as people can now push wheel chairs it will serve to lessen the amount of vehicles. In any event as he lives in Bedfordshire I suggest he worries about events in his own area and not be such a busybody.

Sorry to disappoint you Raymond,
Born and Bred in Borehamwood and still work there how about you?
I have no need to look up the purpose of an Eruvim, I know already.And I also know that many in the Jewish community are totally opposed to the idea not only in this country but the US and around the world, many see it as divisive.
I love the spin you put on it though, 'people can now travel by wheel chair and this will mean fewer cars' Brilliant! Alastair Campbell would be proud.
Lets see if the community around Croxdale Road notice this drop in the number of vehicles in the coming weeks.

I have been trying to escape from Borehamwood for 13 years and Just I have my escape route finalized I learn that they are now going to put a wire around the place, back to the tunnelling I guess

I have no idea what the problem is?Not being Jewish, I have no problem with 34 poles going up. I doubt if anyone will notice anyhow. I understand its also being financed by the Jewish community and not the tax payer.There are plenty more eyesores for the community to worry about than 34 single poles.
I certainly hope these objections aren't anti-semieticly rooted. Borehamwood has a diverese population that get on a mix together amicably. These objections will do nothing but harm what currently exists.

No doubt the eruv poles/fencing/bits of wire will be pulled down as soon as erected. Well intended gesture but just another waste of council money really.

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Anon2 "No doubt the eruv poles/fencing/bits of wire will be pulled down as soon as erected. Well intended gesture but just another waste of council money really."

As an anti-semetic gesture its good is it?By the way its financed by the Jewish Community so you wont have to pay for. You can sleep easy now and hope they are pulled down if that makes you happy.

But the council isn't even paying anything - it's all being funded by the Jewish community. How is this a waste of council money?

Is there as much opposition against telephone masts or lamp posts? Because these poles will be errected alongside them. For pity sake its not going to have any impact on any individual whatsover. Is this an anti-jewish thing or can someone explain as to why these poles are such an infringement on their everyday lives?

anoni wrote:
But the council isn't even paying anything - it's all being funded by the Jewish community. How is this a waste of council money?

Alright, its Jewish funded. Who will pay for the maintenance e.g if they are torn down or vandalised?

John wrote:

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Anon2 "No doubt the eruv poles/fencing/bits of wire will be pulled down as soon as erected. Well intended gesture but just another waste of council money really." As an anti-semetic gesture its good is it?By the way its financed by the Jewish Community so you wont have to pay for. You can sleep easy now and hope they are pulled down if that makes you happy.

If a 6ft cross were to be erected in Borehamwood by the Protestant faith, I am sure if would suffer the same fate, especially if it heralded all the press the eruv has. Mind you, the cross probably wouldn't get planning permission!

I sleep perfectly at night, thank you.

Anon2 wrote:

John wrote:

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Anon2 "No doubt the eruv poles/fencing/bits of wire will be pulled down as soon as erected. Well intended gesture but just another waste of council money really." As an anti-semetic gesture its good is it?By the way its financed by the Jewish Community so you wont have to pay for. You can sleep easy now and hope they are pulled down if that makes you happy.

If a 6ft cross were to be erected in Borehamwood by the Protestant faith, I am sure if would suffer the same fate, especially if it heralded all the press the eruv has. Mind you, the cross probably wouldn't get planning permission! I sleep perfectly at night, thank you.

I couldn't care less if a 6ft cross was errected. Why should I?Why should it also get the amount of press a few poles are getting? Is there something you have against a particular faith?

bejesus wrote:

anoni wrote: But the council isn't even paying anything - it's all being funded by the Jewish community. How is this a waste of council money?

Alright, its Jewish funded. Who will pay for the maintenance e.g if they are torn down or vandalised?

Maintenace is funded by the Jewish community as well. I have no doubt that with that knowledge any vandilism will be truley welcomed by some.

John wrote:

Anon2 wrote:

John wrote:

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Anon2 \"No doubt the eruv poles/fencing/bits of wire will be pulled down as soon as erected. Well intended gesture but just another waste of council money really.\" As an anti-semetic gesture its good is it?By the way its financed by the Jewish Community so you wont have to pay for. You can sleep easy now and hope they are pulled down if that makes you happy.

If a 6ft cross were to be erected in Borehamwood by the Protestant faith, I am sure if would suffer the same fate, especially if it heralded all the press the eruv has. Mind you, the cross probably wouldn\'t get planning permission! I sleep perfectly at night, thank you.

I couldn\'t care less if a 6ft cross was errected. Why should I?Why should it also get the amount of press a few poles are getting? Is there something you have against a particular faith?

Nothing at all against any faith. We are all God's children.

POLES, POLES, POLES -
NO ONE HAS COMPLAINED THAT THERE ARE MANY OLD LAMP POSTS STILL UP IN BOREHAMWOOD, NEXT TO THE NEW ONES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT UP. THE OLD ONES HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN TAKEN DOWN ALL THAT AT COUNCIL'S EXPENSE - NO ONE HAS EVEN SAID A WORD ABOUT THIS ! CRAZY WORLD - The Eruv and its maintenance wont cost the council a penny, and will not be noticed. A load of fuss about absolutely NOTHING.

POLES, POLES, POLES -
NO ONE HAS COMPLAINED THAT THERE ARE MANY OLD LAMP POSTS STILL UP IN BOREHAMWOOD, NEXT TO THE NEW ONES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT UP. THE OLD ONES HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN TAKEN DOWN ALL THAT AT COUNCIL'S EXPENSE - NO ONE HAS EVEN SAID A WORD ABOUT THIS ! CRAZY WORLD - The Eruv and its maintenance wont cost the council a penny, and will not be noticed. A load of fuss about absolutely NOTHING.

Lamp posts are not the issue. If the old ones are still up, they ain't cost any money to take down as of yet. They are not symbolic of any particular faith. Very much ado about nothing.

At the end of the day, the only opposition to the Eruv is by ignorant anti-semites. Most normal people don't care. It won't affect anyone and no one will even see it. Therefore, there is no basis for the hatred of it. It is purely a racial thing by a few old school racists. Look at the original quote from the ringleader "i don't want to live in a jewish state" - its laughable. The only ghettos i see in Borehamwood are council ghettos full of undesirable scum bags

Terry - you seriously need to chill on this one. Whilst you already know what "an Eruvim" is / are for the pushchairs are for transporting children on the Sabbath without breaking religious law. Religious parents won't travel in cars either way. The worst parking habits I have noticed recently near Croxdale Road are the shopping trolleys (Chav Ferraris) parked in/through the window of the kosher store, though I accept your point about busy times. All popular religious and cultural centres have similar problems - which is why they are better placed out of the way than on main roads. The only reason this is divisive in the Jewish Community is because of non-religious Jews (who don't need it) not wanting yet another reason for the ignorant to abuse them in the streets - something which modern laws protect all other minorities from to excess (see Emily in Big Brother) whilst Jews remain fair game - inspired by the comments of a Neo-Comm Mayor in London. But by its nature, it is something for the Religious few only. Good on them for not expecting irreligious Jews or other faiths to pay for it. Shall we discuss the money taxpayers will be putting towards the £100m Super Mosque?
Peace Out

bob wrote:
At the end of the day, the only opposition to the Eruv is by ignorant anti-semites. Most normal people don\'t care. It won\'t affect anyone and no one will even see it. Therefore, there is no basis for the hatred of it. It is purely a racial thing by a few old school racists. Look at the original quote from the ringleader \"i don\'t want to live in a jewish state\" - its laughable. The only ghettos i see in Borehamwood are council ghettos full of undesirable scum bags

I live on a council estate,my family have never been in any trouble,we are decent people.If council estates are full of scum ,then why have we got 3 jewish familys living,in my rd?is it because they are scum to ,you are racist.

In response to Nick T, I don't believe that at any time has anybody, who protested against the eruv, made a racist remark. I believe their concern was about disharmony among the many religions residing in Boreham Wood. Perhaps you should get your facts right before you call people racist. And, by the way, I agree with what you say about the mess etc the gypsies leave behind but I really do think that there are factions in Boreham Wood who have double standards - some of your Councillors among them.

DD wrote:
In response to Nick T, I don't believe that at any time has anybody, who protested against the eruv, made a racist remark. I believe their concern was about disharmony among the many religions residing in Boreham Wood. Perhaps you should get your facts right before you call people racist. And, by the way, I agree with what you say about the mess etc the gypsies leave behind but I really do think that there are factions in Boreham Wood who have double standards - some of your Councillors among them.

A remark such "as I dont want to live in a Jewish state" because 34 poles are being errected is to me racist. Why Borehamwood suddenly becomes a Jewish state because of this is simply ignorance beyond contempt. Also its not gypsies a people I have a problem with, its the fact that they will not contribute any council tax and therefore the clear up and everyday policing will have to be financed by those of us who do pay council tax's. For that reason I cannot see where double standards come into play with our councilors.

I am not jewish. however, as far as i can see, the influx of jewish families into the area has brought nothing but good to an area that was in steady decline. Young working families are what is needed. Would the costa or the nero or the M&S simply food be here without all the young families moving in spending disposable incomes. Would all the new housing developments be being built. People like top have a go at the jewish community but they are an assett to the area.

gypsies take from an area, they take, give nothing in return and go stealing. The same is true for many (not all) in council estates in the area. they take benefits, take and take and give back nothing.

therefore, the erection of 34 poles is nothing compared to the benefit borehawood derives from the jewish community.

I have jut read some of the comments regarding the eruv and I do tend to agree with Terry from Bedfordshire. Croxdale Road has been pretty empty over the couple of Saturdays, I'm not quite sure of the reasons for this the roads are normally jam packed with cars. It will be interesting to see what happens once the eruv is erected, I think the Jewish community have been on their best behaviour until the eruv is in place, I'm sure the cars and 4 x 4's will return! By the way, I am a council tenant but I am not scum, I work full time and take an interest in what is happening in my road!

Double standards come into play with your Councillors because not one of the Jewish members of the Planning committee declared a prejudicial interest regarding the eruv which they should have done and they should not have been able to vote for it.

DD wrote:
Double standards come into play with your Councillors because not one of the Jewish members of the Planning committee declared a prejudicial interest regarding the eruv which they should have done and they should not have been able to vote for it.

Just because they are jewish councillors does not mean they are prejudiced or have an interest. Maybe all non-jewish councillors are prejudiced anti the eruv?

Why would a jewish councillor that is not religious and has no need personally for an eruv be prejudiced?

You make me laugh.

Bob & Nick T
You are the most bigoted posters on here, your racist comments about gypsies and your view that most council Tennant's are scum thieves, is a disgrace.
You have tried (with out success) to divert attention from the subject and turn the whole issue on its head by accusing dissenters of being anti semitic...Pathetic and shows your lack of intelligence by using the argument of convenience.
I notice not one poster commented on my original gripe about the council doing nothing about the roads.Just proves where priorities lie.

Terry Davis wrote:
Bob & Nick T You are the most bigoted posters on here, your racist comments about gypsies and your view that most council Tennant\\\'s are scum thieves, is a disgrace. You have tried (with out success) to divert attention from the subject and turn the whole issue on its head by accusing dissenters of being anti semitic...Pathetic and shows your lack of intelligence by using the argument of convenience. I notice not one poster commented on my original gripe about the council doing nothing about the roads.Just proves where priorities lie.

To Terry David, please read my posts more carefully. I have never reffered once to councul tennants or called gypsies "scum". I reffered to Gypsies not contributing to council tax's and therefore who will pay for there rubbish collections and general policing? Secondly if you want to debate the state of the roads then fine maybe you should club together with the rest of us and help pay for them to fixed just as the Jewish Community is doing to fund the eruv.

Terry Davis wrote:
Bob & Nick T You are the most bigoted posters on here, your racist comments about gypsies and your view that most council Tennant\\\\\\\'s are scum thieves, is a disgrace. You have tried (with out success) to divert attention from the subject and turn the whole issue on its head by accusing dissenters of being anti semitic...Pathetic and shows your lack of intelligence by using the argument of convenience. I notice not one poster commented on my original gripe about the council doing nothing about the roads.Just proves where priorities lie.

To Terry Davis, please read my posts more carefully. I have never once reffered to either council tennants or gypsies as "scum". My refference was to Gypsies not contributing to council tax's and therefore who will pay for their rubbish collections and general policing? Secondly if you want to debate the state of the roads then fine maybe you should club together with the rest of us and help pay for them to be fixed just as the Jewish Community is doing to fund their eruv and its maintenace.

To all,

There is absolutely no argument - unless it is a racist one - against the eruv poles. No one will even see them, has anyone been to Edgware lately? Where are the poles? The only poles you can see in Borehamwood are from Poland!

If Christians, Muslims etc want to put up a pole, who cares? Especially as it won't even be seen by most people.

Can someone on here, with any intelligence whatsoever please tell me how the Eruv will affect them negatively?

And it will certainly not increase traffic.

I await your erudite responses. Turning the area into a "jewish state" is not a valid reason either - unless you can explain how the fishing wire turns the area into a jewish state, and even if it did, how and why that would affect you.

Really looking forward to your replies.

And lastly, as Nick T state, gypsies pay no council tax. And why should anyone in council estates that pay no council tax have a say on any local issues????

Bob - seems to me like you have a problem with folks who live on Council estates. What the bejesus does this have to do with the eruv topic?? NOTHING. Your messages appear to have been insulating just for the sake of it.

DD wrote:
Double standards come into play with your Councillors because not one of the Jewish members of the Planning committee declared a prejudicial interest regarding the eruv which they should have done and they should not have been able to vote for it.

So using that warped logic I suppose that when anything regarding the Church comes up then every Christian councillor should not be able to vote because they have a "prejudicial interest". What utter rubbish you talk.