Councillors put estimated journey times to the test in protest against recycling centre closure

Borehamwood Times: FAQs released to coincide with the consultation state that during off peak hours, it would take 15 minutes to drive the 7.7 miles to the Potters Bar centre, rising to 28 minutes one-way during peak hours. FAQs released to coincide with the consultation state that during off peak hours, it would take 15 minutes to drive the 7.7 miles to the Potters Bar centre, rising to 28 minutes one-way during peak hours.

Under proposals to close a popular recycling depot in Elstree, users are told that the nearest alternative venue is around 20 minutes away in Potters Bar. With a campaign and petitions against the closure gathering pace, the Borehamwood Times decided to put Hertfordshire County Council’s claim to the test.

Of the 17 recycling centres across Hertfordshire, Elstree has been named as one of the two that may close to as part of money-saving cuts.

The county council states that the area is well served by other nearby centres, including Potters Bar, Waterdale and St Albans, adding that around 99 per cent of all residents would still be able to reach a household waste centre within 20 minutes of their homes.

A document containing "Frequently Asked Questions" released to coincide with the consultation states that during off-peak hours, it would take 15 minutes to drive the 7.7 miles from the Elstree site to the Potters Bar centre, rising to 28 minutes one-way during peak hours.

But is this what the Borehamwood Times found after taking a drive with Hertsmere councillors Harvey Cohen and Morris Bright this week?Borehamwood Times:

After checking the route using Google Maps, a map and the sat nav, we set off from Cllr Cohen’s home - just down the road from the Elstree waste centre.

Leaving at 2pm, after the lunchtime busy period and before the school rush, we were looking at around 20 minutes to get to our destination via the A1, five minutes over the 15 minute off-peak estimated time.

Keeping to the speed limit, we made it to the centre in a door-to-dump time of 19 minutes and 23 seconds - under the peak-time limit of 28 minutes, but a full four minutes and 23 seconds higher than the off-peak estimations. The way back was just as problematic, taking 21 minutes and 29 seconds.

Borehamwood Times:

Cllr Bright, who used the journey to drop off two cardboard boxes, said: “Roadworks and traffic will obviously make the journey take longer, which isn’t the council’s fault, but it will also make people more likely to just put their recyclables into their black bins.”

Cllr Cohen added: “We deliberately picked the quietest time during the afternoon so we could be fair, but you have to remember that not everyone can go at these times.”

The 15 mile round-trip cost around £3 in petrol, based on the average petrol price in the area.

Councillor Terry Douris, cabinet member for waste management at Hertfordshire County Council, said: "I encourage any residents who have concerns about journey times, or any other aspect of the suggested changes, to include these comments when they respond to our consultation - www.hertsdirect.org/wastechanges. More information is available in the FAQs which are on the consultation webpage. I’d like to remind all residents that no decisions have been made yet and it is really important that they respond to our consultation."

Residents have until August to submit their comments for the consultation. There is also a petition against the planned Elstree closure at consult.hertsdirect.org/petitions/petition?petition_id=194420, which now has more than 500 signatures.

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3:44pm Thu 3 Jul 14

ANt Gee says...

Perhaps the most important question is whether Ameycespa, when competing for the contract, mentioned that a review of sites would be carried out if they won it. Details of the process would be interesting for all residents. If Elstree is closed it does not take a genius to know that 3 things will happen:
1) residents will reduce their use of recycling centres
2) more recyclabe items will just be placed in black bins
3) flytipping will increase
Perhaps the most important question is whether Ameycespa, when competing for the contract, mentioned that a review of sites would be carried out if they won it. Details of the process would be interesting for all residents. If Elstree is closed it does not take a genius to know that 3 things will happen: 1) residents will reduce their use of recycling centres 2) more recyclabe items will just be placed in black bins 3) flytipping will increase ANt Gee
  • Score: 16

4:34pm Thu 3 Jul 14

TFEB says...

Then there are those people in the pick-ups that collect rubbish for a low fee and make it disappear.
Then there are those people in the pick-ups that collect rubbish for a low fee and make it disappear. TFEB
  • Score: 3

12:45am Fri 4 Jul 14

Sasha12 says...

I don't believe anything will change the council decision it was made years ago but they didn't have to tell us until the last minute there are alot of managers in alot of department there that need their high mighty butts kicked & made to wake up & live in the real world stop removing ammenties that we need & stop this house building as are schools amenities etc are suffering I wish to express another concern on top of the fly tipping etc & non recycling extra bonfires so more house hazards needing fire service etc if you build flats/houses or caravan park it could pose problems on our lovely calm tranquil resting place for our relatives like vandalism in the cemetery that would be horrific on any family the tip is always used leave it alone
I don't believe anything will change the council decision it was made years ago but they didn't have to tell us until the last minute there are alot of managers in alot of department there that need their high mighty butts kicked & made to wake up & live in the real world stop removing ammenties that we need & stop this house building as are schools amenities etc are suffering I wish to express another concern on top of the fly tipping etc & non recycling extra bonfires so more house hazards needing fire service etc if you build flats/houses or caravan park it could pose problems on our lovely calm tranquil resting place for our relatives like vandalism in the cemetery that would be horrific on any family the tip is always used leave it alone Sasha12
  • Score: 8

11:52am Fri 4 Jul 14

david Burcombe says...

I just tried to access this site and it is not there http://www.hertsdire
ct.org/petitions/pet
ition?petition_id=19
4420
this is what I get Page not found

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I just tried to access this site and it is not there http://www.hertsdire ct.org/petitions/pet ition?petition_id=19 4420 this is what I get Page not found Sorry, the requested page cannot be found on hertsdirect.org If you have found a bad link on hertsdirect.org, please do report it to us. To locate the page that you require, try the following suggested options : Search for your required page Alternatively, try the Advanced Search option. Use the A to Z of hertsdirect. View the hertsdirect Sitemap. Return to hertsdirect.org homepage. Return to your previous page. david Burcombe
  • Score: 2

11:54pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Sasha12 says...

david Burcombe wrote:
I just tried to access this site and it is not there http://www.hertsdire

ct.org/petitions/pet

ition?petition_id=19

4420
this is what I get Page not found

Sorry, the requested page cannot be found on hertsdirect.org

If you have found a bad link on hertsdirect.org, please do report it to us.

To locate the page that you require, try the following suggested options :

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This is obviously so people can't give their opnion write to them or email them asking for a reply within 28days & I believe there is a petition on the gates of the tip grounds
[quote][p][bold]david Burcombe[/bold] wrote: I just tried to access this site and it is not there http://www.hertsdire ct.org/petitions/pet ition?petition_id=19 4420 this is what I get Page not found Sorry, the requested page cannot be found on hertsdirect.org If you have found a bad link on hertsdirect.org, please do report it to us. To locate the page that you require, try the following suggested options : Search for your required page Alternatively, try the Advanced Search option. Use the A to Z of hertsdirect. View the hertsdirect Sitemap. Return to hertsdirect.org homepage. Return to your previous page.[/p][/quote]This is obviously so people can't give their opnion write to them or email them asking for a reply within 28days & I believe there is a petition on the gates of the tip grounds Sasha12
  • Score: 4

2:20pm Sat 5 Jul 14

EP Herts says...

Strange that they waited until after the local elections to anounce this. We have lived all our lives in Borehamwood and resent these people coming in a ruining our home town. Why is it closing? Probably a back door deal with a developer to get land to build on in Elstree.

Why do people continue to vote for these crooks?
Strange that they waited until after the local elections to anounce this. We have lived all our lives in Borehamwood and resent these people coming in a ruining our home town. Why is it closing? Probably a back door deal with a developer to get land to build on in Elstree. Why do people continue to vote for these crooks? EP Herts
  • Score: 7

2:55pm Tue 8 Jul 14

kelvin says...

The community have spoken, there is no desire to close the Elstree tip,why don't you pathetic councilers wake up and smell the coffee.
The community have spoken, there is no desire to close the Elstree tip,why don't you pathetic councilers wake up and smell the coffee. kelvin
  • Score: 3
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