Crown Pub in Borehamwood now free to be developed

Borehamwood Times: The Crown Pub in Borehamwood The Crown Pub in Borehamwood

A man who has fought to save a pub he believes is at the heart of the community is “dumbfounded” by the council’s decision to no longer list it as an asset to the community.

The Crown Pub in Shenley Road in Borehamwood is now free to be developed by owners Woodhall LLP after Hertsmere Borough Council decided it did not meet the legal requirements of the listing.

These include proving the pub furthers the social wellbeing of the local community, it is unique, local people want to save it and those nominating it can raise the money to run it.

The Crown Pub, which closed in March, was listed as an asset of community value in August.

This was the result of a nomination by spokesman of the Save The Crown group Stephen Bury, who said the pub was unique and its closure was a “great loss” to Borehamwood.

However, Woodhall LLP appealed the decision and, during a hearing on November 29, spokesman Leon Goldstein said the Crown did not provide any “unique facilities” and raising the £2.6million needed to open it as a pub was an “aspirational dream”.

Mr Bury said he was “dumbfounded” by the council’s decision to side with the landlords.

He said: “Disappointed does not cover it. Nothing has changed since the council decided the pub fitted all the requirements of an asset of community value.

“They are telling me one of the reasons the council changed its mind was that not enough people wanted to save it. I was asked for 21 signatures and provided 30. If I had known I had to provide more names I could have found hundreds more. What did they want me to do, stage a demonstration outside the appeal hearing?”

He added he was disappointed the council had taken so long after the hearing to release the decision and would try to launch an appeal.

Woodhall LLP declined to comment on the decision, or what it planned to do next.

However Councillor Harvey Cohen, who was responsible for deciding whether or not to list the pub, said he thought it would become retail space and flats.

He said: “I am very sad I had to make this decision, it hurt me.

“I feel for the community and understand the importance of pubs in village life.

"However my hands are tied by the legislation and the pub failed the tests. There was no proof of its uniqueness, that it would be missed and that it could carry on as a pub.

“The sad truth is pubs are declining across the country as people prefer to buy booze from Tesco and drink at home."

He added if the council had decided to maintain the listing and Woodhall LLP had appealed again and won it could have ended up costing council tax payers thousands of pounds.

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12:37pm Tue 14 Jan 14

save the wood says...

the only thing that would not be missed in the wood is councillor cohen. he seems to be the big i am on the council to the old people of the wood he is public enemy no. 1
the only thing that would not be missed in the wood is councillor cohen. he seems to be the big i am on the council to the old people of the wood he is public enemy no. 1 save the wood

1:32pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Reader (R) says...

Mr Bury, appeal the revocation of the listing and then take the matter to the county court for a realistic "trade value" to be put on the pub. Just before Christmas a group in London were faced with a ridiculous asking price for a pub (as the owner favoured selling to a developer), they went to court and the asking price was drastically reduced and the owner was told a few home truths by the judge.

It is clear from the article in the Borehamwood Times in August that the listing was never going to run the full distance and that article (and it's content) needs to be used in any future dealings in this matter.

Just for the record the price of a pub is not it's development value BUT it's last trading figures which are used to determine the value by a licensed trade surveyor.
Mr Bury, appeal the revocation of the listing and then take the matter to the county court for a realistic "trade value" to be put on the pub. Just before Christmas a group in London were faced with a ridiculous asking price for a pub (as the owner favoured selling to a developer), they went to court and the asking price was drastically reduced and the owner was told a few home truths by the judge. It is clear from the article in the Borehamwood Times in August that the listing was never going to run the full distance and that article (and it's content) needs to be used in any future dealings in this matter. Just for the record the price of a pub is not it's development value BUT it's last trading figures which are used to determine the value by a licensed trade surveyor. Reader (R)

3:00pm Tue 14 Jan 14

eric 2 says...

with the amount of empty shops already in shenley road what is the point of the crown becoming retail space
with the amount of empty shops already in shenley road what is the point of the crown becoming retail space eric 2

5:22pm Tue 14 Jan 14

TFEB says...

Odd the councillor shares the same surname as the developer.
Odd the councillor shares the same surname as the developer. TFEB

10:56am Wed 15 Jan 14

keithpp says...

This is appalling behaviour by the local council. The pub was listed as an Asset of Community Value, the owners appeal, and the council sides with the owners. Worse, the local community were not informed of what was going on.

But then The Tumbledown Dick was listed as an asset of community value, the local council got legal advice to ignore ACV (legal advice no one has seen but we paid for), in order that could be demolished for a Drive-Thru McDonald's.

The inflated price put on the pub, would appear to be its development value, not its value as a pub.

Exactly the same happened with c1720s The Tumbledown Dick in Farnborough. It went before a planning committee, . The agenda was so biassed it read like a PR exercise for McDonald's. Most of the councillors who spoke, fell over backwards to abuse the local community, claimed they had no realistic chance of raising the money, and yet, they had never been given the opportunity to buy.

Those councillors and officials involved in this sordid little deal, must be kicked out of office.
This is appalling behaviour by the local council. The pub was listed as an Asset of Community Value, the owners appeal, and the council sides with the owners. Worse, the local community were not informed of what was going on. But then The Tumbledown Dick was listed as an asset of community value, the local council got legal advice to ignore ACV (legal advice no one has seen but we paid for), in order that could be demolished for a Drive-Thru McDonald's. The inflated price put on the pub, would appear to be its development value, not its value as a pub. Exactly the same happened with c1720s The Tumbledown Dick in Farnborough. It went before a planning committee, . The agenda was so biassed it read like a PR exercise for McDonald's. Most of the councillors who spoke, fell over backwards to abuse the local community, claimed they had no realistic chance of raising the money, and yet, they had never been given the opportunity to buy. Those councillors and officials involved in this sordid little deal, must be kicked out of office. keithpp

4:27pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Unsullied says...

Come on lets be honest the Crown has never been' at the heart of the community'. For much of its existence it was no more than a run down, violent blot on the Boreham Wood landscape. Glad to see it go.
Come on lets be honest the Crown has never been' at the heart of the community'. For much of its existence it was no more than a run down, violent blot on the Boreham Wood landscape. Glad to see it go. Unsullied

4:57pm Wed 22 Jan 14

cxaxax says...

this is so bad, The Director Arms is set to go and also The Green Dragon, soon there will be no where for anyone to go. Borehamwood is turning into one big estate and this needs to stop. More flats and house but no more schools, shutting pubs and shops? where do they expect all these people to go and to work?
this is so bad, The Director Arms is set to go and also The Green Dragon, soon there will be no where for anyone to go. Borehamwood is turning into one big estate and this needs to stop. More flats and house but no more schools, shutting pubs and shops? where do they expect all these people to go and to work? cxaxax

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