Crown Pub in Borehamwood no longer community asset

Borehamwood Times: The Crown Pub in Borehamwood The Crown Pub in Borehamwood

An empty pub could now be sold for redevelopment after councillors reverse their decision to list it as an asset of community value. 

The Crown Pub in Shenley Road was taken off the list by Hertsmere Borough Council as it failed to meet the necessary requirement of furthering the social wellbeing and interests of the local community.

The reason given for the decision was that council officers said there was no evidence the group that had nominated it, Save the Crown, would be able to raise enough money to keep it up and running.

The report also said there had been no evidence members of the public objected to losing The Crown, apart from a small number of individuals in the Save the Crown group.

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12:40pm Sun 12 Jan 14

david Burcombe says...

Ic the rown is pulled down we could have the new ark there
Ic the rown is pulled down we could have the new ark there david Burcombe

12:50pm Sun 12 Jan 14

harveycohen says...

Unfortunately, the save the crown group didn't present any evidence to place the crown as a community asset which could stand up in law. If they did we would certainly have kept this as a community asset , but we have to comply with the legislation otherwise we ( ie the residents ) could be liable to a large financial penalty. The definition of a community asset and what the loss of this asset to a community would mean is defined in law and we have to comply.
Unfortunately, the save the crown group didn't present any evidence to place the crown as a community asset which could stand up in law. If they did we would certainly have kept this as a community asset , but we have to comply with the legislation otherwise we ( ie the residents ) could be liable to a large financial penalty. The definition of a community asset and what the loss of this asset to a community would mean is defined in law and we have to comply. harveycohen

12:51pm Sun 12 Jan 14

harveycohen says...

We could have an new theatre there if the pub was owned by the council. Unfortunately this is not the case
We could have an new theatre there if the pub was owned by the council. Unfortunately this is not the case harveycohen

4:16pm Sun 12 Jan 14

david Burcombe says...

If we can persuade the owner to look at the possibility of it becoming a Theatre and the arts council and the Town and Borough Council back the idea with some money from the lottery and perhaps we could set up a fund to help finance it. I gather the community theatre in PottersBar is subsidised by the council. Borehamwood the largest population in Hertsmere deserves a Theatre. Its proximity to the Station would be a winner Out of the station and just over the road there it is. The fact it would be so close to the station would encourage the theatre loving public to use it and if Tom was the Manager I feel in no time at all it would make a profit. It is worth considering
If we can persuade the owner to look at the possibility of it becoming a Theatre and the arts council and the Town and Borough Council back the idea with some money from the lottery and perhaps we could set up a fund to help finance it. I gather the community theatre in PottersBar is subsidised by the council. Borehamwood the largest population in Hertsmere deserves a Theatre. Its proximity to the Station would be a winner Out of the station and just over the road there it is. The fact it would be so close to the station would encourage the theatre loving public to use it and if Tom was the Manager I feel in no time at all it would make a profit. It is worth considering david Burcombe

5:20pm Sun 12 Jan 14

TFEB says...

The issue with community asset law is the "community" may like the idea of the community asset but unless they are prepared to find the money to buy the asset for the community at a reasonable market price, it is never going to become a community asset. The same will happen with the pub in Letchmore Heath.

This law is not another form of nationalisation, taking assets away from owners, it is about giving the community the first option with some extra time to find the funds.

Unless some group comes up with the market rate to buy this building the owner/developer is most likely to turn this into an apartment block as this will offer the highest return.

As this is no longer classified as a community asset, the owner is now going to maximise their potential on this site. The only way this could be blocked now would be through planning permission refusal if the proposed development was detrimental to the area.
The issue with community asset law is the "community" may like the idea of the community asset but unless they are prepared to find the money to buy the asset for the community at a reasonable market price, it is never going to become a community asset. The same will happen with the pub in Letchmore Heath. This law is not another form of nationalisation, taking assets away from owners, it is about giving the community the first option with some extra time to find the funds. Unless some group comes up with the market rate to buy this building the owner/developer is most likely to turn this into an apartment block as this will offer the highest return. As this is no longer classified as a community asset, the owner is now going to maximise their potential on this site. The only way this could be blocked now would be through planning permission refusal if the proposed development was detrimental to the area. TFEB

5:37am Mon 13 Jan 14

chelseaboy says...

another piece of history disappearing from the town of my youth, another new block of flats or offices is not what you need, if all is lost then redevelop as a new theatre (even though there is one on the site of my old school - where the love of theatre was given to us pupils)

As I have said in other posts, you are now within the M25 - save what you can
another piece of history disappearing from the town of my youth, another new block of flats or offices is not what you need, if all is lost then redevelop as a new theatre (even though there is one on the site of my old school - where the love of theatre was given to us pupils) As I have said in other posts, you are now within the M25 - save what you can chelseaboy

9:29pm Mon 13 Jan 14

studio70. says...

I think that getting rid of this eyesore will be a great thing, while you're at it raze the whole terrace of shops attached to it and build something decent- then when this is done continue down the high street block by block until you hit macdonalds- then cross the road and do the same thing on the other side of the road until you get back to the station- give us a high street to be proud of not the shabby looking poorly designed ramshackle we have now. It might even be better to just have shops on one side of the street and housing on the other as half the shops are empty anyway so concentrate the shopping side with populated retail and on the Furzhill road side build decent tenement flats and a community facilities and while you are at it some toilets.
I think that getting rid of this eyesore will be a great thing, while you're at it raze the whole terrace of shops attached to it and build something decent- then when this is done continue down the high street block by block until you hit macdonalds- then cross the road and do the same thing on the other side of the road until you get back to the station- give us a high street to be proud of not the shabby looking poorly designed ramshackle we have now. It might even be better to just have shops on one side of the street and housing on the other as half the shops are empty anyway so concentrate the shopping side with populated retail and on the Furzhill road side build decent tenement flats and a community facilities and while you are at it some toilets. studio70.

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